It could well be 7.1 changes.. but I think I may see if I can get the outer joins to work now which would make life easier when porting  from Classic, besides.. I haven't contributed in a LONG while and now that my system is current, time I did something useful:)

I admit I didn't look at the Quick Start Guide ...  (RTFM).. will check that and see if that clears up some of my initialization problems.  The bright side is my current company is considering letting my set this up for the company website. (and no.. not Vignette who I parted ways ;)